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Batwing vs Massacre by BrianReber Batwing vs Massacre by BrianReber
Spread from the first issue of Batwing from DC comics. Art by Ben Oliver and myself. Issue 2 hits stands tomorrow!
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:icontahchalah:
blown away!!!
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:iconthehereticmike:
D: You need to jump on Teen Titans... Tim Drake and Connor in your artwork would look BA.
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:iconannoyinglizardvoice:
Nice work.
Probably the best comics of the new52
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matthew-lane Dec 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

Hahahahahaha, no.


I'm sorry but Batwing was terribly written until Palmiotti got on it & turned it around... An even then he essentially had to replace literally every aspect of the book all at once.

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:iconannoyinglizardvoice:
I disagree. I found the setting an interesting change from all the big American cities that occupy too much space in super-hero comics for my taste. I felt the protagonist had many of Batman's cooler traits but avoided some of the things that put me off the character. The fact the Batwing wasn't a big established presence in pre-reboot DC meant I was more comfortable reading this than I was with stuff I'd gotten used too before hand. The art-style of the earlier comics in the series fit the character well.
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matthew-lane Dec 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

"I found the setting an interesting change from all the big American cities that occupy too much space in super-hero comics for my taste."

You might have but it wasn't. There was literally no setting to it, there was not a seconds worth of effort put in to bringing the setting to life. They spent no time setting up the status quo of Batwings immediate environment. The entirety of Batwings Africa could be summed up thusly "A city with lots of corruption." That was the be all & end all of the effort put into the environment.

Add into that that the real Africa is actually substantially more interesting than the version we were presented with narratively & its a bit of a kick to the teeth.

"I felt the protagonist had many of Batman's cooler traits but avoided some of the things that put me off the character."

Again you'd be wrong: the writers did not bother to give him even the first bit of a personality. He was nothing more than a completely blank slate, a frame work of concept wires, lacking for any kind of substance.

An the same went for all of the supporting characters, the antagonist & the plot: They were all equally lacking in character or depth.

Add into that the terrible story telling techniques & the reused artwork and you end up with a book that is both technically disappointing & telling a dull story. If you enjoyed it, then good for you, but don't mistake it for having been good, because it was exceptionally mediocre across the board.

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:iconannoyinglizardvoice:
I wouldn't be "wrong", I would be of different opinion. Not the same thing.

As to the "lack of depth", I feel that's an issue with the first arc of New52 stuff across the board, not just this comic. I admit I'm probably more willing to give benefit of the doubt to newer characters (like Batwing) than the older ones (like Batman) because they haven't had to re-establish themselves in the reboot to quite the same extent, and he new guys have a "they're still new, give them time" factor. The only exception I've noticed so far was Demon Knights, and I hadn't read that at the time I made my initial comment (plus I'm probably biased in DemonKnights' favour because it reminds me of a lot of my friends' in-jokes).
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matthew-lane Jan 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist

"I wouldn't be "wrong", I would be of different opinion. Not the same thing."

Actually it is wrong: See Batwing, outside of objectively not possessing the traits you think it does also had major technical issues across the board from issues with dialogue, to reusing artwork, to giant plot holes, a lack of pre-scripting & generally being poorly written.

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